Kudos you you, I had never noted that particular (and peculiar) detail. One might point to the "blue handed" men, but it's clear that they are contractors with Blue Sun, not officially Alliance.
Of course, the relationship between Blue Sun and the Alliance is never made clear either, the former could exercise much more control over that latter than anybody knows. They do appear to be the ones responsible for what happened to River.
One cavil with your inclusion of Book as a former Operative - he obviously still has some official standing, as evidenced by his identity documents. I like to think that Book was not an Operative, or not wholly... I like to think that he was actually at a level above them, one of the official Alliance personnel to whom the Operatives reported. Hence he wasn't wiped and tossed away like Early. And of course I have always found it an amusing detail that the black bounty hunter is named Jubal Early.
I loved both movie and series, but contrary to your advice, I'd advise to NOT watch the movie first. That's how I got first intro'd, and that ending did kind of affect how I felt watching the series.
Separately, I gifted my dad the DVD of the series and he watched it and was hooked. When he found out there wasn't a second season he was so upset; this would be a topic of our phone calls for months on end.
What I like about the series/movie is the world building. The writers really had me sold that the 'verse of Firefly was a possible future: a lovely mix of wild west and the future.
Shepherd Book's past is fleshed out in a follow on comic book that is canon, according to Whedon and whoever is in charge of the Firefly property at this point. There are actually a lot of Firefly 'Verse comics out since then. Follows the (mis)adventures of the Serenity crew in the near term after the events of the movie and years down the road. They even return the the Earth That Was at one point.
In the comic about Shepherd Book, he wasn't an operative in the manner of the Operative in the theatrical release. He was a sleeper agent for the Independents, who murdered the original Darriel Book, assumed his identity, and worked his way up the ranks of the Alliance military, and was a key figure in one of the Independent's biggest military victories against the Alliance, which ended up with them marooning him on a backwater planet, without court martialing him, hence why he still has valid Alliance credentials.
I missed it when it was on Fox, but bought the DVDs as soon as I learned about them (one of the bloggers at Sgt Mom's mentioned the show, I think). Saw Serenity on opening day and a couple times after in the theater, doing what I could to help it have good box-office numbers. Bought that DVD, too.
I watch them regularly (at least once/year), sometimes on DVD, sometimes streaming. Out of Gas is my favorite episode.
Don't know about this premise. First, Jubal Early is a self-proclaimed "bounty hunter." If you dismiss the "Blue Hands" because they're contractors to the Alliance, you have to similarly dismiss Early. Also, in the episode "Serenity" (S01E11), Lawrence Dobson was Alliance, and he was white.
Firefly was Trek-like in its ephemeral glory. Unfortunately, it will not rise again. I immediately bought the 16-episode boxed set when it became available.
I noticed the Black thing about operatives, but didn't give it much mind. I always like that the Alliance was not an evil empire, as one operative mentioned. It's the Chinese-American Alliance. We never really had a chance to flesh that out.
Whedon himself has mentioned that the Alliance is not evil per se, but the problem is that it demands control over things it isn't qualified to manage.
It's funny how Leftists can be so libertarian in their fiction -- and how they can be so clueless of the very kinds of things they support in real life!
The very definition of totalitarian. Whedon does not think so since he himself is a member of the qabal cults in holly. Special privileges.l like weinstein and other directors.
In the DVD commentary of that episode Whedon notes that Early takes out the Serenity's crew members in order of the threat they represent. Book is knocked out first and very suddenly.
OOooooooh, this is juicy! So, we've got blue hands, black men (operatives). I'm going to have to watch the series again and see if theres more color themes in there. The other thing to remember too is, Joss does like to throw in complete red herrings to make his fans come up with outrageous conspiracies.
I would love to have seen where this series went, there was so much being hinted at and so many areas they could have explored. When I think of Firefly, I always end up pondering one line, uttered by Mal. "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.' This line to me, could be the writing prompt for thousand of stories and always reminds me that there are two sides to every story.
Of course, in Firefly, there were many sides. Damn, we need to see some more of that.
Anyone got Joss's mailing address? Maybe I could convine him (beg him mercilessly) to continue the story in novel form?
If you haven't already watched it you may want to try the original Cowboy Bebop anime series. Not being any particular fan of anime I had never seen it, but I decided to give it a go after the fuss over the live-action remake* recently and would now recommend it to anyone who liked Firefly. The stories are set in our solar system in the future and follow a small group of bounty hunters as they chase their prey (and try to avoid bankruptcy) in their old spaceship, the bebop. The tone varies from comedic to dramatic with a strong musical influence and I regard it as a real masterwork by the incredibly talented artists who made it.
*I still haven't seen the live-action version and don't see any reason to, the original was already perfect.
Today I was in the children's section of Barnes and Noble, looking for a Frog and Toad book as a Christmas gift. I was surprised to see "Michelle Obama, Superhero" between Frog and Toad and Pete the Cat in the early readers section. Barack was there in the Little Golden Books section, next to the three little pigs for some reason. Michelle's Becoming was featured in the adapted for young readers section and of course outside of the childrens section, the family seemed to dominate the store.
Could the Obamas truly be THIS popular this Christmas season?
Perhaps they are.
If they are not, they seem to have some very powerful backers or operatives behind them.
Books by traditional publishing bears no resemblance to reality in regards to what people are actually buying. It’s why the traditional publishers are struggling but Indy authors seem to be doing quite well.
One is in the first episode, when Inara opens a case containing a hypodermic. Since they are expecting an encounter with Rievers, the easy assumption is that she's considering suicide as an alternative to capture. But Whedon says that isn't what the hypo is for... but the series ended before that question could be settled.
Seems an odd time for an insulin shot... and there is never any suggestion that Inara is diabetic, or has any medical condition. My suspicion is that it' a performance enhancer, in case she has to fight (of course, such enhancements might be useful for a Companion in her professional life too).
Look at the pax virus solution. That was why firefly was ordered canceled because it gave too much truth away. Blue hands were also the red shield emblem colors. Khazarian blue gold. Corona blue.
When I first watched the scene in the first video, I thought, "Why doesn't the woman who saw the Operative murder three people just call the cops, or pull out a gun and blow him away?" (The answer, of course, is, "Because it's a movie and there's still two hours left. Now, hush.")
Call the cops? "Hello, 911, this is that secret facility that doesn't officially exist..."
The Operative had already taken out all the armed security in the immediate area anyway. She just stood still hoping she wouldn't become an extraneous person... and was rewarded when the Operative tells her to start digging up the records he needs.
The men, hands of blue, where white. They were awesome creepy. The operative in the move was black and that did not matter because he was great, and he later was in the Doctor Strange movie. Jubly Early, a mercenary, was black, but he was a good actor and delivered all his lines greatly You are reading too effing much into casting.
Maybe. But then, look at the angst over the racist Wednesday streaming show on Netflix. There are two school bullies, who are black, and the Usual suspect are reeeeeeeing and rending their garments. Because having da bwacks be meanies is waaaaaacist.
And given that Whedon is a flaming SJW a-hole, is it out of the question that somebody pointed that detail out to him and he panicked?
Panties in a bunch? I am pedantic and anal on details, but then I am geek, but my panties fly free. Flapping in the wind. I blame the martini's for my response. I live to bunch panties.
"Operatives? Yes, there were three. I will present them in the reverse order of their appearance. "
You present three operatives. You claim Book is operative 3. In the show, Book is special and awesomely vague with special medical clearance, but we do not see any details. In the comics in continuation, Book is a double agent in the Alliance who was truly a rebel. Book is not an operative. It would be awesome that he was a former operative, if the show continued into multiple seasons before doing comics, it might have shown him to be one in detail, In the comics, Book is not an operative (In my opinion, they make his back story much weaker), but a general. Sadly, Book is not an operative.
My favorite character is Jayne cause I love guns, weights and stupid hats. But Book was the most interesting and intentionally vague character in the Firefly show because of how little detail they showed of his Alliance past.
Brill, interesting and educational…I never tumbled to the fact that the operatives were all black men. Brilliant series and film, odd that it was a product of so many lefty actors/producer/directors who didn’t believe in “misbehaving” in their real lives.
Kudos you you, I had never noted that particular (and peculiar) detail. One might point to the "blue handed" men, but it's clear that they are contractors with Blue Sun, not officially Alliance.
Of course, the relationship between Blue Sun and the Alliance is never made clear either, the former could exercise much more control over that latter than anybody knows. They do appear to be the ones responsible for what happened to River.
One cavil with your inclusion of Book as a former Operative - he obviously still has some official standing, as evidenced by his identity documents. I like to think that Book was not an Operative, or not wholly... I like to think that he was actually at a level above them, one of the official Alliance personnel to whom the Operatives reported. Hence he wasn't wiped and tossed away like Early. And of course I have always found it an amusing detail that the black bounty hunter is named Jubal Early.
I remember looking up the name and going "holy crap!"
Also, your speculation about Book makes even more sense, Especially with him being older.
Blue and gold are colors of corona ukraine and khazarian mafia. Red shield
I loved both movie and series, but contrary to your advice, I'd advise to NOT watch the movie first. That's how I got first intro'd, and that ending did kind of affect how I felt watching the series.
Separately, I gifted my dad the DVD of the series and he watched it and was hooked. When he found out there wasn't a second season he was so upset; this would be a topic of our phone calls for months on end.
What I like about the series/movie is the world building. The writers really had me sold that the 'verse of Firefly was a possible future: a lovely mix of wild west and the future.
Shepherd Book's past is fleshed out in a follow on comic book that is canon, according to Whedon and whoever is in charge of the Firefly property at this point. There are actually a lot of Firefly 'Verse comics out since then. Follows the (mis)adventures of the Serenity crew in the near term after the events of the movie and years down the road. They even return the the Earth That Was at one point.
In the comic about Shepherd Book, he wasn't an operative in the manner of the Operative in the theatrical release. He was a sleeper agent for the Independents, who murdered the original Darriel Book, assumed his identity, and worked his way up the ranks of the Alliance military, and was a key figure in one of the Independent's biggest military victories against the Alliance, which ended up with them marooning him on a backwater planet, without court martialing him, hence why he still has valid Alliance credentials.
Interesting.
I missed it when it was on Fox, but bought the DVDs as soon as I learned about them (one of the bloggers at Sgt Mom's mentioned the show, I think). Saw Serenity on opening day and a couple times after in the theater, doing what I could to help it have good box-office numbers. Bought that DVD, too.
I watch them regularly (at least once/year), sometimes on DVD, sometimes streaming. Out of Gas is my favorite episode.
Don't know about this premise. First, Jubal Early is a self-proclaimed "bounty hunter." If you dismiss the "Blue Hands" because they're contractors to the Alliance, you have to similarly dismiss Early. Also, in the episode "Serenity" (S01E11), Lawrence Dobson was Alliance, and he was white.
See my other comments here about the blue handers.
No indication that Dobson was an Operative. More like undercover. We have no indication what the scope of clandestine roles that the Alliance has.
Take my love,
Take my land,
Take me where I cannot stand,
I don't care,
I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me,
Nice Kor reference.
Firefly was Trek-like in its ephemeral glory. Unfortunately, it will not rise again. I immediately bought the 16-episode boxed set when it became available.
I noticed the Black thing about operatives, but didn't give it much mind. I always like that the Alliance was not an evil empire, as one operative mentioned. It's the Chinese-American Alliance. We never really had a chance to flesh that out.
Whedon himself has mentioned that the Alliance is not evil per se, but the problem is that it demands control over things it isn't qualified to manage.
It's funny how Leftists can be so libertarian in their fiction -- and how they can be so clueless of the very kinds of things they support in real life!
The very definition of totalitarian. Whedon does not think so since he himself is a member of the qabal cults in holly. Special privileges.l like weinstein and other directors.
I would have to confess that, with the current Hollywood environment being what it is, I hope it doesn't rise again any time soon.
Maybe in 10 or 20 years, when Hollywood writers learn to write good stories again, but not now.
I liked corey goode s graphic novel ascension. It is a lot closer to the current future timelines
In the DVD commentary of that episode Whedon notes that Early takes out the Serenity's crew members in order of the threat they represent. Book is knocked out first and very suddenly.
Yeah. All them years of priest trainin', get taken out by one bounty hunter.
He got rusty.
OOooooooh, this is juicy! So, we've got blue hands, black men (operatives). I'm going to have to watch the series again and see if theres more color themes in there. The other thing to remember too is, Joss does like to throw in complete red herrings to make his fans come up with outrageous conspiracies.
I would love to have seen where this series went, there was so much being hinted at and so many areas they could have explored. When I think of Firefly, I always end up pondering one line, uttered by Mal. "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.' This line to me, could be the writing prompt for thousand of stories and always reminds me that there are two sides to every story.
Of course, in Firefly, there were many sides. Damn, we need to see some more of that.
Anyone got Joss's mailing address? Maybe I could convine him (beg him mercilessly) to continue the story in novel form?
If you haven't already watched it you may want to try the original Cowboy Bebop anime series. Not being any particular fan of anime I had never seen it, but I decided to give it a go after the fuss over the live-action remake* recently and would now recommend it to anyone who liked Firefly. The stories are set in our solar system in the future and follow a small group of bounty hunters as they chase their prey (and try to avoid bankruptcy) in their old spaceship, the bebop. The tone varies from comedic to dramatic with a strong musical influence and I regard it as a real masterwork by the incredibly talented artists who made it.
*I still haven't seen the live-action version and don't see any reason to, the original was already perfect.
I was thinking of the pax virus a while ago, but never made this connection.
To me, it makes some sense after learning of the odd coincidences and connections involved with one of our recent presidents.
https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-chosen-one/
Today I was in the children's section of Barnes and Noble, looking for a Frog and Toad book as a Christmas gift. I was surprised to see "Michelle Obama, Superhero" between Frog and Toad and Pete the Cat in the early readers section. Barack was there in the Little Golden Books section, next to the three little pigs for some reason. Michelle's Becoming was featured in the adapted for young readers section and of course outside of the childrens section, the family seemed to dominate the store.
Could the Obamas truly be THIS popular this Christmas season?
Perhaps they are.
If they are not, they seem to have some very powerful backers or operatives behind them.
Books by traditional publishing bears no resemblance to reality in regards to what people are actually buying. It’s why the traditional publishers are struggling but Indy authors seem to be doing quite well.
https://youtu.be/U-NVs68X_S4
They were ordered to cancel firefly because ofnthat. The fans funded it instead.
I'm guessing there were a lot of secrets told in the series and the movie.
One is in the first episode, when Inara opens a case containing a hypodermic. Since they are expecting an encounter with Rievers, the easy assumption is that she's considering suicide as an alternative to capture. But Whedon says that isn't what the hypo is for... but the series ended before that question could be settled.
Seems an odd time for an insulin shot... and there is never any suggestion that Inara is diabetic, or has any medical condition. My suspicion is that it' a performance enhancer, in case she has to fight (of course, such enhancements might be useful for a Companion in her professional life too).
Look at the pax virus solution. That was why firefly was ordered canceled because it gave too much truth away. Blue hands were also the red shield emblem colors. Khazarian blue gold. Corona blue.
When I first watched the scene in the first video, I thought, "Why doesn't the woman who saw the Operative murder three people just call the cops, or pull out a gun and blow him away?" (The answer, of course, is, "Because it's a movie and there's still two hours left. Now, hush.")
Call the cops? "Hello, 911, this is that secret facility that doesn't officially exist..."
The Operative had already taken out all the armed security in the immediate area anyway. She just stood still hoping she wouldn't become an extraneous person... and was rewarded when the Operative tells her to start digging up the records he needs.
Why dont people charged with terrorism at j6 call the fbi? Heh
😄
The men, hands of blue, where white. They were awesome creepy. The operative in the move was black and that did not matter because he was great, and he later was in the Doctor Strange movie. Jubly Early, a mercenary, was black, but he was a good actor and delivered all his lines greatly You are reading too effing much into casting.
Maybe. But then, look at the angst over the racist Wednesday streaming show on Netflix. There are two school bullies, who are black, and the Usual suspect are reeeeeeeing and rending their garments. Because having da bwacks be meanies is waaaaaacist.
And given that Whedon is a flaming SJW a-hole, is it out of the question that somebody pointed that detail out to him and he panicked?
It's possible, as well.
The two-by-two guys had a more singular scope than the Operative did, demonstrated partially by the fact that they worked in twos.
I thought of them, but they seemed different than the operative in serenity.
By the way, no need to get your panties in a bunch.
Panties in a bunch? I am pedantic and anal on details, but then I am geek, but my panties fly free. Flapping in the wind. I blame the martini's for my response. I live to bunch panties.
"Operatives? Yes, there were three. I will present them in the reverse order of their appearance. "
You present three operatives. You claim Book is operative 3. In the show, Book is special and awesomely vague with special medical clearance, but we do not see any details. In the comics in continuation, Book is a double agent in the Alliance who was truly a rebel. Book is not an operative. It would be awesome that he was a former operative, if the show continued into multiple seasons before doing comics, it might have shown him to be one in detail, In the comics, Book is not an operative (In my opinion, they make his back story much weaker), but a general. Sadly, Book is not an operative.
My favorite character is Jayne cause I love guns, weights and stupid hats. But Book was the most interesting and intentionally vague character in the Firefly show because of how little detail they showed of his Alliance past.
Bah!
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Did you miss the part when I said I would present them in reverse order of appearance? That's why Book was presented as number "three."
However, Cheers! ::: gulp :::
Brill, interesting and educational…I never tumbled to the fact that the operatives were all black men. Brilliant series and film, odd that it was a product of so many lefty actors/producer/directors who didn’t believe in “misbehaving” in their real lives.